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Episode 6: Shawna Ford
Chris: Welcome to Coward’s Fury. I'm Chris. I'm here with Charles, and we're about to get into episode six. All right, folks. What a long, strange trip to murder Shawna Ford. It's a ride, Shauna, many last names, but ended with Ford was born December 6th, 1967 in Everett, Washington. Shauna's childhood was not exactly ideal. She was the seventh of nine children by five different fathers, and by most accounts, including her birth mothers, she was abused physically and sexually at different times in her childhood. She was put up for adoption around the age of 18 months by Rena Coddle her birth mother to Rena's brother. Rena's brother, then put Shauna up for adoption again, the adopting parents whose names I, I couldn't find in my research, allegedly abused Shauna. Terribly. After that, Shauna somehow ended up back in her uncle's care. Rena was told where Shauna was. So she took her back into her home, which Rena now shared with her husband Ken, and then welcoming a new daughter. When Shauna's little sister was just three months old, Rena caught her holding a pillow over the baby's face, and the baby was struggling, not knowing what to do. Re Rena decided to adopt Shauna out again to Jeep and Patty Brighten, according to Shauna Jeep, brighten, would regularly molest her while Patty worked in a bowling alley. Although charges were never brought against Jeep.
Episode 5: Rodney Alcala - The Dating Game Killer
Charles: Hello and good evening. Tonight we will be covering Rodney Alala, the Dating Game Killer.
Episode 4: Herbert Baumeister
Charles: Good evening for today's case. We will be covering the I 70 Strangler Herb, also known as Herbert Balmeister, the Pisser
Episode 3: Michael Madison
Chris: Welcome back to Cowards Fury. I'm Chris: here with Charles:, and we're gonna get into a new case today. So, today's case involves a man that's probably not super widely known, but he was definitely dangerous nonetheless. Is he excited? Yeah. I can see by the look in your eye.
Episode 2: Snook Hook (part 2 of 2)
Hi everybody and welcome back to Cowards Fury. This is Chris. I'm here with Charles, and we're about to start part two of the Snook Hook episode. Just to give you a quick reminder of where we are, James Snook has just been taken to police headquarters for questioning, and his car has been impounded and his wife is about to get a little surprise.
Join us now for part two. Let's get into it. Also not known to snook his wife Helen. was served with a search warrant. Hell yeah. Well, at least they used a warrant for something. It was legit. Part of respectful. Yeah. As part of their efforts, police collected ashes from the furnace. It was a warm day. Why were they burning things like, okay.
I guess, uh, it's like 1909. He burned shit all the time. I guess that's just normal. Two suits that had recently been cleaned. A stained shirt, a stained fedora, a pocket knife with a smudge. We were all collected. They also obtained a pair of men's gloves. Fedora? Yeah, a fedora. Like legit fedora, because like blood had to have gone everywhere.
I mean, there was a lot of blood, but they also got a pair. I think he have used a snow hook rather than a hammer. That would've been poetic. Lee. Awesome. Not awesome. Somebody died. Okay. That's bad. I mean, for this it would've been really metal. Yes. Yeah. So they also took a pair of men's gloves, hairpins, and a light.
hair strands, a bapen hammer and a woman's umbrella from Snooks car. Like, dude, you have to clearly be smart. Why wouldn't you get rid of all of that shit? Like, get it outta your car. I'll tell you. Do you want, you wanna know the answer? You, you asked me a question, so I'm gonna give you an answer. He only had the half Nelson.
Mm-hmm. . There you go. If he had the full Nelson, that hammer would've been gone. Yep. That I knew that was coming back. What the half Nelson? Half Nelson. and then there's a Nelson guy. There's things happening in this story that I didn't even see until now. At the same time, Myers was also questioned. Who's Myers?
The boy, ex-boyfriend, ex-fiance. Uh, poor bastard. He's just trying to grow corn, right? Yeah. Yeah. The corn. Can you just call him corn guy? Yeah. Okay. For now, I'm just call him. During questioning, Snook stated that he knew both Hicks and corn guy. He said Hicks was going to work on some typing for him, and he'd taken her on a car ride to explain the details of the project, cuz that's how you explain the details of a typing project.
on a car ride. Yeah. That's what I do. Mm-hmm. , I mean, that's what I would, that's, yeah. What I know Snook cleaned the typing project. Yeah, the typing project. Snook claimed that on the night of the murder, he was working in his office at the veterinary clinic at osu. And that the night Watchman could confirm that.
Yeah, man. He was shooting birds. Yeah. He said that he then went to the Sci Country Club to retrieve a pair of shooting glasses. See, that's what I thought. Sci Country Club. It it, yes, it made it into the story, but that. Oh, anyway, that's not where they, doesn't matter. It doesn't, he, that's not where he shot the LA hit the lady in the face.
Right. Okay. So he had to get a pair of shooting glasses that he left there and he returned home by nine 30. Which, uh, his wife would confirm that she saw him eating a sandwich at nine 30. She had gotten up from bed to close a window in the kitchen due to rain, which is why she saw him. Police held both men snook and corny without specific charges or bond.
They were leaning towards corn, guy being the culprit. Um, and both men at that point. That's So, wait, lawyered up, like. Jimmy Snook. The Snook Snook hook. Yep. He's like, uh, all worried about eating. His wife's like, yeah, he ate a sandwich at nine 30. He likes his meal. She, she confirmed that he ate a sandwich.
Yeah, he likes there, you guys, but that damn. So in the meantime, still would a cla alibi while these two guys are being held without. Charges or bond. Um, other people came forward with information, uh, because of what they'd seen in the paper. Mrs. Margaret m Smalley was one of those people. She rented out rooms in her three-story br brick rooming house on Hubbard Avenue.
That sounds like the ghetto right now. Sorry if anyone's listening on Hubbard, but it sounds like, uh, legit. Yeah. I, I don't know if I'd probably hang out at Hubbard. I think Hubbard was a little different back in the early 19 hundreds. I don't know. Someone's writing out three, three stories of brick roommate.
That's what they. , they rent. That's what they did in the NI early 19 hundreds. Back in back in February, she had rented a room to Snook for $4 a week. Cash only he had told her It is for my wife and me. Both of us demonstrate salt. Both of us had to read that like twice. Both of us demonstrate salts and will not be in the room much.
I don't know what that means. I think that means they like sold salts. . I'm not into bath salts. I don't know if that's what that was. Demonstrating salt. You know what? I like sea salt. All right. This snook, dude, I'm just gonna say it. He's fucking weird. I mean, at the end of the day, this is, this is just getting better and better, but the dude is, I sell salts.
See, this is why you can't tell weird lies. Like you gotta stick as close to the truth as possible. Anyway, so Smalley the room renter lady, okay. Said that she didn't see much of the couple. and, um, only had one short moment with quote unquote Mrs. Snook, which who she later identified actually as Thera Police brought Molly to the jail where Snook was being held.
She said hello to him. He responded back. At that point, Snook admitted to the police that he rented the room to rendezvous with Theora. The papers dubbed it, the quote unquote, love Nest. What do I love Nest, love nest. What I. It was, it was an illicit affair. Okay. All right. Okay. Oh, I was, you were working up this, it's like this hot affair that's going on.
Yes, yes. But hold on. How old is this guy? And how old's this la Like, this is just like a kid, right? She's like, what? She's like 22, 20. Yeah. And this dude's like 40. Yeah. At least. Mrs. Frida Brown also contacted the police. Dirty old bastard. I know. Yeah. She told them, she got a quote unquote rush clean order from Snook, and they discovered what looked like bloodstains on the lining of both the jacket and the pants that they took.
You were the suits they took from the Snook house. The suit was turned over to police for a closer look of course, after it was already cleaned. Another man, Charles Lane came forward. He was the night watchman at the Y W C A on South fourth Street. Theora had stayed there for a time. He remembered Snook, um, as the man who would often drop Thera off between midnight and 2:00 AM.
Theora had asked him to keep quiet about her late hours and Snook tipped him 25 cents for his discretion. That's where it's at. Yeah. You go, you know, you tip Lang 25 cents. You gotta tip the people who are keeping your secrets. That's right. 25 cents. Mm-hmm. . Police began to see that their original assertion of the corn guy might be wrong.
Damn right. Right. It was looking more likes. That's Myers, right, is their man. Yep. Meyers is the corn guy. That corn guy, it was looking more like Snook was their man. Only he knew both Thera and where the outdoor shooting range was and corn guy did not. Uh, they took Snook out to the firing range for a closer.
By Monday afternoon, the president of the Ohio State University, Dr. George w w Reitmeyer, dismissed Snook from the faculty for lack of moral judgment. That dude's solid man. Yeah, that would never happen today. Well, no. They'd be like, ah, it's okay. Right. Wright Myer wrote to Dr. And Mrs. Hicks quote, no employee of the university will be shielded for one moment when facts showing his moral delinquency are established.
Yeah, listen up. Ohio State people in charge. Maybe you should think about what Wright Myer used to do. There you go. You know, and not like people do bad shit. They do. Detectives took Snook to his former office to clean it out and collect potential evidence there. They found the. The Art of Love, which Snook purchased because Theor wanted him to it.
Uh, it was a scandalous read even during the, you know, roaring twenties with talk of orgasms, titillating, the breasts, et cetera. They also found titillating, the breasts . Yes. Yes. Okay. I gotta find this book. I'm sorry. Their sales just went up. Buy one this year, , cause I'm gonna purchase it. . They also found obscene poetry and other erotic literature, as well as a love letter from another woman with whom he'd had an affair.
Imagine what these, uh, so creeps would've done with the internet back then. Snook was a man about the town. The Eroica add additional items of Eroica were found in his country club. Are you reading my script? No, I, I, I thought that was in the book. No. Wow. Did you. Veronica d. During this time, police wanted to be sure that that corn guy was not their man.
They took the corn Boer expert to the funeral home to view Tiara's body at midnight cuz that's appropriate. When the man became visibly upset by what he saw, police and the psychiatrist that accompanied them were convinced he was not the murderer. A day later he was released. Now that is some. Find police work.
Wow. Seriously, I got nothing. I know it's cpd, getting it done. So on Tuesday, Mrs. Snook was interviewed for almost five hours. They grilled the woman. She became so upset that she fainted after some time. Helen revised her original story, which had supported what her husband had told police. It turned out that it was more like 10:00 PM when Helen heard the screen door slam.
She assumed was her husband. The rest was true. She came down to close the kitchen window and saw her husband quietly eating a sandwich. See the sandwich is back. Nice sandwich is back. She maintained that. She knew nothing of her husband's. , but a former border of theirs. Dwight Palmer told police that he had heard the Snooks arguing about a divorce back in April, two months before the murder reporters were eating.
Snooks tails up, though the way he ate his sandwich. Yep. Mm-hmm. . Dr. Snook told them that Theora liked to go on car rides. He'd said that he warned her against taking rides with strangers, but perhaps despite his warnings, she'd accepted a ride and been killed by. Chic motorist, you know, there it is. Snook.
He was trying to look out for what is a chic motorist, well, the kind that kills her with a hammer and snook hook, or whatever he did. Well, let's find out. He told the press that his relationship with theor was quote a damn fool. Silly love affair. A damn fool. Yeah, silly love affair. But that there had been no, there had not been talk of marriage.
He said theor would not marry him under any circumstances. Imagine that. Hmm. Then the autopsy include, as Snook was enjoying his time in the limelight, the aura had died from a hemorrhage that happened after her throat was cut. She was also beaten on the head 17 times. And finally after 22 hours of questioning, only two or three, but 17.
Yep. You know, here's the thing though. Snook may have hit her 17 times, but it only took Murphy like 17 seconds to pop that nose right back into place. Oh, yes. You're really obsessed with the whole nose. , I'm, it's, it's in my mind very graphic. Yeah, that's very graphic. I'm, but so is beating in the face 17 times?
Yes. Yeah. I don't know if I'm obsessed with it. It's um, who writes that? Who reads that? You read that? Well, I mean, it's just fact. Facts. Facts. Okay. So, uh, after about 22 hours of questioning, um, I, I wonder how many sandwiches he ate during that though. I don't know. Like, he was like, can I just have another sandwich?
Well, they must have fed him well enough cuz he did. . Oh yeah. They kept feeding him or they didn't feed him? No, no. You know, they ply people. It's a good cop, bad cop. Like, I'll give you a sandwich here. Now tell me the truth. Did Murphy have a warrant and after 22 hours, that's gotta be exhausting, but that's not the end of the drama.
Okay? Okay. Okay. Snooks attorneys would have him, psych, uh, psychiatrically examined. In fact, no less than. . Eight psych psychiatric doctors would examine snook snooks lawyers, contended that his confession had been coerced. After 22 hours straight of interviewing, the police had hurled insults and curse words at him.
Oh, not curse words. They hurled curse words. Words, curse words at him. They had even punched him in the face. She bastard. Right. Exactly what they said. They punched him in the, jeez. Busted. So they, uh, the defense would try to show the court that there had not really been a confession, given the circumstances that they could not use the coerced confession in a court of.
So off to trial, they went, the murder Arrestin trial would make this crime a national sensation. People would wait for hours just to get a seat in the courtroom, even just for jury selection in like 90 degree heat. Wait, wait, is that cuz they didn't have air conditioning? No air conditioning? No, no, no.
Damn. Yeah. I'm glad I wasn't alive then. You know what? I'm just gonna say right now, I like air conditioning. I do too. Okay. Defense attorneys received death threats. Helen. Yeah, it's awful. So Helen Snook would. inundated with strangers and questions at her door. The general public was enthralled with the scintillating details of the affair between snook and hicks and the subsequent murder.
All through the trial, snook would remain cool, calm, and like detached at one point. Right? Because he shot birds for fun. Yep. Like the, because he's a killer. Yeah, he's, he was detached cuz he didn't give a shit at one point. He suffered some kind of malady. Um. and the, uh, the court ordered a spinal tap to check for syphilis.
I wonder why. Well, cuz that can enter your, enter, alter your mental space because, because he had syphilis. Cuz his, you know, he felt neurologically worse after that. Imagine that. And after a spinal tap hoo. And the physician told the court that he needed to be reclined like in a chair. So they brought , they brought him in like a really like garish beach chair on which to.
And it had this side effect of like lowering him to the point where all the people who were trying to look at him couldn't even see anything except like the top of his balding house. So he was like bald. He's this old bald guy with round glasses. Yeah. Yeah. Prosecutors and defense attorneys would fight and yell at each other, like, children look, people literally hit.
That's so different than now. I know people literally hitchhiked from other states to try to get a seat in the courtroom. This is the best part. People would say they were going to. To go snook when trying to get a seat in the courtroom. Yeah. I'm going Snook. Hey. Hey. What are you, what are you doing this weekend?
Ooking? Are you going? Snook, . I'm going snook, but it wouldn't be this weekend. Titillating tits. What was that like? Titillating. Like titillating breasts. I'm God. He remembered that. I, I just wanted to hear you say that. Thank you. . Titillating breasts. I'm going Snook to learn about titillating breasts. This is a lot.
This is a lot. This is. During the, okay. Okay, so during the trial, Snook was called to testify on his own behalf. Lemme just say, this guy's a faculty member at the Ohio State University. He, he has, he's, he's, he's, he's a veterinarian, right? Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . He's a patented castration type device thing?
Well, no, it's for female cats and dogs, so it'd be a spay. Okay. It does stuff not Okay. So during the trial, Snook was called to testify. Snook Point painted a picture of Hicks that was less than flattering. Of course, he made her out to be a controlling and violent woman. Yeah, God. Explaining how one time she had hit him so hard in his ps.
Nay. Do you know what that is? What What? No, what does that even mean? So A is the little single eyeglass that like, The dude had a single eyeglass. Yeah, he was like the Planter's Peanut guy. Yes. That's what a PNA is. Damn. Anyway, his p who? The dude's a bald planter's peanut guy. Yeah. His pk. And maybe I'm not saying that right.
So if I'm not, forgive me, but I flew across the room. Damn. He told the court, uh, gosh, crazy of the love of the quote unquote love nest, that he and Hicks would hook up two or three times a weekend. Snook said that she also dated, um, Marion Myers. That was the. Corn guy and that he and Myers were acquainted.
But that Hicks stopped seeing Myers when he became engaged to another woman. Snook turned into a real kiss and tell kind of guy. He told the court about her performing fellatio on him, which at the time was considered to be, um, a quote unquote unnatural sexual act. What year is this? Like 19 now? This is 19.
1920s. 20, yeah. 30, 19, 29. No one did that then. It's unnatural, dude. Everybody gave everybody fellatio. They just didn't talk about it. That's why it was considered unnatural. I hope E everybody gave everybody No, dude, everybody that gave everybody Felicio. I mean, they were doing Felicio men on guy Out guy back in Socrates time.
Oh, you're going back there? Yeah. Yeah, that's, I can't do that right now. Okay. We're in the twenties, right? Right. 1920s. Let's, let's stick with that, but the real jaw dropper came when the prosecuting attorney, John j Chester, Jr. As Snook, John j John j Chester Jr. It's a little Jay's. This is kind of hard to say.
Yeah. As Snook, did you ever perform a vasectomy? So it was such a new concept that the attorney didn't even know the word. What he meant to ask was, did you ever perform a vasectomy? To which Snook answered, what a dumb ass Chester. Yes. Did you ever perform a bi ectomy? It's a vasectomy. And he answered, yes.
Oh, Jesus. That's normal. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Better? Did he use a snook hook? Wait. Upon so pushing the line of questioning, the prosecutor replied upon yourself, and Snook answered, yes, sir. So I'm gonna let that sink. He performed a vasectomy on himself. That's right. Snow Snook said that he did so because he had one testicle that was smaller than the other and it would rub on his trousers causing pain.
And since a vasectomy could cause testicular shrinkage, he hoped it would make the small ball even smaller. We're leaving the irritation. All right. You don't even have to be a guy to get this. Hold on. Who wants their balls to be smaller? I cut my own balls. Because they rubbed and I wanted the other one.
Wait, wait. I cut my own ball out cuz I wanted to the other one to get smaller. It doesn't make a lot of sense. Wow. What and who does it? Wait, he cut his own. Wait. Yes. Seriously guys. Seriously. Wow. So, but, but in his legs, he had his own vasectomy. Yes. But yes. Okay. But in his letters to his, did he have that little, that little eyeglass thing in?
Like, you know, he's like, he's like squinting with little eyeglass. I don't, can you even bend that way? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What did he use mirrors? He was in that plumb hall. Seriously? That's right. By the College of Veterinary Medicine too. It's interesting. Hmm. He knew about Plum Hall.
I'm sure he did in his letters to Hicks later read to the court, he seemed to have performed the act mostly to prevent Hicks from becoming pregnant. Oh. Who do you think, uh, Snook continued to describe what happened the day Thera Hicks's murder? He said he and Hicks were looking for a spot to get cozy.
She liked to experiment and sometimes liked things a little rough. They, Hey, bdsm, whatever. It's all good. Live your best life. Yeah, maybe. Mm. They went to the shooting range because it was rather secluded and at 8:00 PM at night, no one would be around. They stopped his dark blue coop and got a little amorous.
They tried to do it in the car, but it was so cramped that Snook, um, said it didn't satisfy him. He couldn't come to an orgasm. Um, although he believed that she did, cuz that matters. This story, the prosecutor went into excruciating detail about the act, cuz who wouldn't, uh, where were Hicks' leg was, SNS Snooks, left foot in the car and the right foot out of the car, et cetera, et cetera.
Snook said that when they were done, Hicks wouldn't let him drive off. She told him that she, or that he was not going to see his mother that weekend of Father's Day. Weekends were his time with her and that he, uh, he would not be allowed to go. They had these types of arguments before on various occasions where Snook could not meet his obligations to satisfy Hick's desire to have him when she wanted him.
But this time Snook said she threatened his wife, his little daughter, and him. A while back, Snook had given Hicks a 48 Derringer pistol for protection and she often kept the gun with her in her purse. And Sno Snook of course, would know that after they argued about the weekend, Hicks reached over Snook and, um, unbuttoning his trousers, his pants, cuz they didn't have zippers at the time.
They had buttons so long ago, they didn't even have zippers. No zippers weren't vented. Uh, Nice. Nope. This was a really long time ago. Everybody. Yeah. And she started having oral sex with him. He said it was painful because he was flacid. It's so hard. It's so painful. She was rough and well, he What a baby.
He wasn't hard and grabbing his testicles, so I mean, wait, what? So hard that he lost his breath. Okay. So how is it that she can grab his testicles so hard that he loses his breath, but he can give himself a partial vasectomy without having any. You know it's a lie. There's not testicles. It's testicle. No, there's, he didn't snip off his testicle.
They said he took one out. No. Well, something's amiss. That's not a va what a vasectomy is. That's true. Well, itk to nothing. No, it didn't shrink nothing. Anyway, she started biting him and pinching and grabbing. That would hurt if that's true. He said, uh, it hurt terribly and tried to get her off of him. He said he tried to choke her, but given the angle he couldn't, so he pulled her head in close to him rather than pulling away to try to relieve the pain.
He demanded that she stopped, but she wouldn't, so he grabbed a ball pee. and, um, that had been in the backseat in his toolbox, and he hit her with it, forcing her to let go. She screamed, damn you, I'm going to kill you now. Um, that sounds not right. Reaching for her purse. Uh, she, uh, snook hit her again. She slid out of the car and hit.
Her head hit the running board and maybe the door snook hit her repeatedly during the struggle. Snook claimed he couldn't remember what happened next because his scrotum hurt so badly and he had bruises on his arms and leg from the scuffle. He claims he called out to her, but she didn't move or respond.
He got scared and drove away. He stopped to get his nightly paper at nine 30. He just murdered a woman with extreme violence. and stopped to get his paper at nine 30. She was biting. God, didn't you? Didn't you read that? Yeah. Well then he also, and you know what I'll also note, he got a sandwich. He picked up, the dude liked the sandwiches.
He picked up his items to make his sandwich. He went home, he ate the sandwich and then he went dead. He had subways then. That dude would've so many rewards. He said he did not remember Slitting, theor, Hicks's throat. No, cuz he had a sandwich. I. But Snook did not deny killing Theora Hicks. Rather, he said it was self-defense.
He was scared that she was going to kill his wife and daughter and then him, uh, the, with the very gun that he had given her. He only ever denied murdering her, knowing that at the time a first degree murder conviction was going to send him to the electric chair. Old Sparky Ohio's, uh, he used to be called Old Sparky.
Many others testified in his trial, several painted snook, as always calm, seemed like he enjoyed the interrogation from the police and prosecutors. He, he had no friends cause he killed them all. Remember from the beginning, I remember was the only person he killed. He had nofo. Oh, please. He had no foe. I didn't write it.
No foes. He had no foes mofo. That means he killed all his foes. No, he didn't. And the night riders, the dude was nuts. Other people stated that Snook was an affable and peaceable man. Quite likable. Yeah. He killed birds too. Bird lovers. Hello. The love letters between Snook and Hicks certainly made Snook look to be very controlling.
Smith Cook. Look possessive. I, yes. This dude's in hell right now cuz he is a sick bastard. You know what's. Big Bird is haunting the shit out of him right now in hell. Why Big bird? Because he shot a lot of birds. Oh, the beak, the bird, the nose. Yeah. I get you. Things are happening. Big bird In the end, closing arguments went on for hours.
One of the jurors was stricken ill, and an alternate had to come in the prosecution pointing and saying to Snook. of Hicks. If she was a sex pervert. You made her that? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, man, they, uh, they play acted the scuffle between Snook and Hicks. Oh my gosh. I, that had to be, I, I mean, how can you even actually take it seriously when they were playacting, that's why you went snuck because there was nothing else to do.
Ridiculous. Right. They're bored. How could that drama, sorry, so they play, acted in? Yeah, the scuffle between Snook and. Starting with the prosecutor on his knees. So Snook could demonstrate how he had twisted Hicks's arm and how she slid out of the coop. Right? Because it was only clue, you imagine being the prosecutor, having to pretend you're the Aura Hicks after sex.
Wow, that's great. Prosecutors demonstrated the murder itself, finishing with one of them lying face down on the floor as. , uh, his as it was the Hicks' dead body. Throughout the trial, multiple people would faint from the heat and humidity and being cramped into a room with over 200 people. High drama all the way to the end.
Ultimately, there were 2,700 or 49 pages of testimony, 94 witnesses and exhibits, including Thor's clothing, the hammer, a pistol, the pocket knife, et cetera. It was a lot for the jury to take in as they began deliberations. On August 14th, Helen Snooks stood by her husband, can't figure that one out the entire time, as did Snooks.
In the deliberation room, the jury prayed for 16 minutes, quote unquote, deliberated for 12 minutes, then took an initial paper ballot. They had a verdict. It was recorded as the second fastest verdict in Franklin County. Ohio's history with the guilty verdict of Stanley Forbes, a gun slinger who killed a police officer.
Coming in at a shorter time, the courtroom erupt. Guilty of first degree murder. No mercy. No mercy. No mercy. No mercy. Nope. That meant the death penalty. The old Sparky. Mm-hmm. , Snook. Snook took up residence on death row. 6 0 5, 6 6. No, no, no, no, no. What hit at the Ohio Penitentiary as number six? 0 656. Six zero.
6 56 folks. Yep, that's right. The prison was actually in downtown. what is now known as the Arena District. There was like a guard tower up there. It's super cool, but now it's just like a, just there. On April 21st, 1930, the biggest prison fire in US history broke out in the Ohio penitentiary. 322 inmates were killed.
But death by prison fire would not be Snooks fate. He made it. He did. All his appeals were exhausted, including up to the Supreme Court. Mrs. Snook even appealed to the governor for, uh, executive clemency. No such gift would be given, right? I'll tell you why. Cause the Ohio State p. He like. He was like, get the hell outta here.
Exactly. And the governor's like, yeah, yeah, no, like that doesn't happen. Now there's all like, oh, it didn't happen. I know. Well, people knew how the board of trustees got appointed. They know that it's the governor that appoints them. Mm-hmm. . On February 28th, 1930, James Howard Sno was put to death by Old Sparky for the murder of Theor.
Kathleen Hicks, 260 days after her. It's like record fast compared to the way things are now today. I know, right? Yeah. Today takes years, right? He's buried in Green Lawn Cemetery with a simple gravestone that reads James Howard Seattle had like slipping Jimmy. Well, they do that because they wanna avoid, um, Jimmy Vandalism.
He and Helen's grave sites by request of the family remained a heavily guarded secret until 2005. That's a long time, but of course that's not quite the end. Snook spent time talking to the warden quite a bit. He would go on to tell the warden whom he swore to secrecy until either his case changed, his fate, or he died, that his entire defense was a lie.
First, he said that Helen knew about the affair. Hicks would often call the house demanding to speak to Snook. She simply accepted it because his sexual proclivity was different from hers. It was just his way. Also, he admitted that Theora had not attacked him or threatened him on the night of the murder as he'd.
He said that over time her behavior became sporadic, demanding, and violent. He had an ever harder time calming her down when she raged, and he wouldn't dare leave her until she was back in a good place. She would threaten to expose their affair, ruining him personally and professionally. He had made his mind up to kill her well before performing the act, including how he would do it.
On the night of the murder. Hicks told Snook she didn't want to go to the love nest. She wanted to be outdoors. That sealed. That gave Snook the opportunity to take her to the shooting range and kill her. He beat her with a hammer after slitting her throat, attempting to make the killing look frenzied and like a mad man had done it.
He said he felt relief, I think. I think I just, I think a mad man did do it. Oh yes, because you know he's not normal. Nope. He said he felt relief when the deed was done, that it was over, and he need not worry about it anymore. Snook said that he was surprised when the police wanted to talk to him. He felt that he'd done a pretty good job covering his tracks.
What? Yep. He, he left a hammer in his car. Oh. This is the best part. It's like shit like, like all his close love blood on them. Yeah. Like he did a great job. Yeah. This is the best part. He already did. He ate his sandwich. That's the only thing he did. The his, he thought that his status as a professor would help him look like he could never do.
Of, of that ilk. Right. Cuz professors never do bad things. Yep. Right after Snooks Steph, right? No. Yeah, they do. Yeah. Yeah. His widow changed her name back to her Mar her maiden name Marble, as well as changing her daughter's last name. I wonder why. Yeah. They lived in a relatively quiet and happy life, um, and in the same 10th Avenue home where they had lived with Snook.
So she never moved out. Hmm. Helen passed away October 11th, 1978. She was old, she was 80. . Wow. Yeah. Helen. And that is the story. Helen Snook of the Snook Cook. The Snook cook. The Snook Cook. Mm-hmm. . Yep. And we'll post all of, um, our sources. What is sick? Ba so, so Slip And Jimmy here. Mm-hmm. . He, he shoots all day long.
He has no foe. No foe. He develops this castration type device thing. Mm. It's not castration fine, whatever. He, this, this thing that does anatomy things to, to animals and it's still used today. Normal. It's still used today. And then he does his ve Vasst Mizes himself. Yep. I don't think Vasst mizes is a word.
It is now. Okay. Wow. Mm-hmm. Wild Ride a and he was, he was, he was in the Olympics, right? He was, yes. An Olympic gold medal winner. Yeah. Hmm. He did not have your typical like killer background. I gotta tell you, there's a real opportunity that was. Is he totally, you know, what was around, you know, it was around back then, white Castle.
The dude ate sandwiches. He could, I don't think White Castle. White Castle started in Columbus, Ohio. Yeah, but I don't think it started in the 1920s. I'm thinking it did. You know what? Here's the deal. Let's just, we're gonna, we're checking that right now. Oh my God. You're right. See, I'm fucking right. I'm right.
1921 in Wichita Hand. Yeah. I came to Columbus, Ohio real quick. Don't even go there. I know about this. Wichita, the world headquarters is here in Columbus, Ohio. Wichita hand, Billy Ingram started it. I know this. So listen, Columbus, Ohio Snook could have been the sandwich guy for White Castle. He really fucked.
that, and he did not Nice things to like, you know, young girls. A yeah, yeah. Young. What a jerk. What a jerk. Yeah. What a jerk. Is that the right way to end this? Absolutely. All right. All right. Well, thanks for joining us for part two in the ending of James Snook and the Snook Hook. We'll see you next time.
Episode 1: Snook Hook (part 1 of 2)
Welcome to Cowards Fury. I'm Chris. And I'm Charles. And this is our inaugural episode. Lucky You and Lucky us. This is a True Crime podcast for anyone who well likes True Crime. So we're gonna get into it. Just note, like any other podcast, ours will get better over time. Sometimes the sound quality might not be awesome.
Sometimes the commentary might not be awesome, but we're gonna get. And you're gonna be awesome with us. Thanks for joining. This first episode is actually gonna be a two-parter. Normally we won't do that. They'll normally just be one, but today, just roll with it. Today's subject is an Olympic athlete and college professor who is now buried in a partially anonymous grave site.
Today we're focusing on James Howard Snook. So James Howard Snook was born September 17th, 1879 in West Lebanon, Ohio, to a family, that's of well off farmers. He's the only son of Albert, Albert l and Mary Keever Snook. He had a younger sister, Bertha, who would go on to Mary Arthur or Hamilton.
Hamilton would serve as speaker of the Ohio House of Representatives, the Snooks, also had a distant, I think, third cousin relationship to John d Rockefeller, who was the founder of Standard Oil. So definitely some money in the family. Jimmy, as he was called in his younger life, was a good student and a bit of a loner, maybe not a typical future murderer.
He loved to ride horseback and practice shooting pretty much all the time,
so, Hold on. He's a bit of a loner and practice shooting much of the time. All of the time. All the time. Yeah. That, I don't know. That makes for, I, I, that seems to me to be a pretty good
formula for No, because you'll see it's, his shooting actually helps him out.
okay. I'm just noting, duly noted to all of our fans that he's a loner and into shooting. Okay. Uh, so with that duly noted, Snook. Snook, yeah. The shooter. Yeah.
The Snook family owned 220 acres and we're seen as well to do. That's a nice 18 hundreds phrase. Some would say that Sno, the Snook home was with its large, spacious wraparound porch and pretty plantings was the finest home in town in New Lebanon, Ohio.
anyone even know where the hell that is? I mean, we should one of many towns in Ohio that, I'm sorry to anyone listening in New Lebanon. , it's an important place. Totally
right. So the SNS even had a racetrack on the property, which helped to spark young Jimmy's love and interest in. , which would also serve him well in the future.
So, uh, it would become his lifelong career. So first Snook would obtain a two year commercial business degree at Nelson's Business College in Cincinnati. Do
they have No, that should be the half Nelson, the half Nelson. , like the full, Nelson's the full degree. That's the half Nelson, but Okay. Okay. So, so Jimmy, Jimmy got, got a half Nelson,
he got a half Nelson.
He got the half Nelson degree? Yes. Okay. Yes. Got it. After that, Snook would go on to graduate from veterinary. At the Ohio State University. He actually helped found Alpha Si fraternity while there, the 1908 yearbook, notes of Snook quote. His friends, they're many, his foes. Are there any,
there's no foes cuz they're all dead.
This, I don't even know anything about this guy. Well, I know a little bit about him. I. , um, cuz he's a loner and he is into shooting and he doesn't have any foes. And his parents were rich.
Well, let me tell you more about him. All right, can I? Sure. Great. So Snoop was also part of the Ohio National Guard Troop B as in boy.
His troop was called to duty to squash the efforts of the quote unquote night riders know A don't mean David, David Hasselhoff. They were groups of people who would destroy tobacco fields and warehouses trying to break up the American Tobacco company. Mono monopoly. Troop B was what?
So wait, there was actually people.
Called the night writers. Yeah. Before Michael Knight. Yeah. I, I'm, I'm questioning some research here, but I'm just gonna go with it. And that being said, actually Okay, fine. I believe you. Okay. And, and so, so he, so he fought the night writers?
Yes. Okay. Yes, he did. In fact, he was successful in beating back these night writers by 1921.
Snook worked his way through the, uh, faculty ranks at, uh, the Ohio State University, obtaining his full professorship. So he, his professor sh Yes. While doing night writing or beating the night
riders. So he was a loner. He shot things all the time. He got a half ounce, well, he practiced
shooting. That's different.
That too didn't have any foes cuz he killed them all or what? and then he fought the night writers. Yeah. This is totally making, I'm seeing his, I think I see who this guy is already. This is good.
So while he was there, while he was a full professor at Ohio State, uh, he invented a tool for spaying female cats and dogs.
It was dubbed the snow cook and it's still used
today. So a little creepy. So that's definitely creepy. The other dude's into like castrate or, uh, yeah. Okay. Wow. It gets better. Okay. No, it gets better. This guy's special.
Yep. Jimmy. Jimmy. So during that time, uh, in fact, September 11th, 1922, Snook married, sixth grade school teacher, Helen Marle of Newark.
They married at the King Avenue. King Avenue United Methodist Church, which is still there today. Yeah. It's actually a beautiful church. Mm-hmm. . They had one child, Mary Jill s. Did she
go by like, Jane? Lemme show up By Jill. Jill. Jill. Jill. Jill.
Jill. Just Jill. Jill. During his time as a student at osu, he continued his interest in handguns in 1911.
That's normal. Wait. Snook had a world record. He won national championships. He solidified his position as one of the nation's premier shooters. He also had a first love fly fishing. He obtained an appointment as the gun and ammunition editor of a popular monthly. . He used a pen name when he wrote, but it always included the word quote unquote king.
Like King Fisher, Kingman. And Wesley King. And King
Jimmy In. King Jimmy. He also, I made that up. I know, but I think he had that in. I like that. Yeah. It's a strange place. So he's a shooter. Got it.
Yeah. He also taught rifle and small arms shooting to Army recruits at the military Aeronautics School on OSU campus during World War.
while he was a student. His love of shooting was all around him. He had small, a small pistol made from, uh, spouting tin, which I think is aluminum. I tried to look it up and I, I, I think it's aluminum, so maybe if somebody knows, they could email firstname.lastname@example.org. Uh, he would use that to shoot rubber bands at flies.
He also kept a real gun in his desk and would shoot birds out of the surrounding.
Just for shits and giggles. So wait, shits and giggles. Yeah. So let me get this. So the dude, this is at Ohio State, right? Yeah. So if, if anyone isn't familiar with Ohio State, it's like any other large campus, um, it's so, it's totally normal to have a gun in your drawer and shoot birds for fun.
Well, I would say it's not like any normal campus. It's because he worked there. No, because it's the largest urban campus in the country. Right. Which is
different. Makes it okay to
shoot birds. No, I think it makes it less. Okay. Oh, let, yeah, he would even practice shooting. Why not? Well, he would even get together with the police force and practice shooting with the police force like the birds and he No, no, he wouldn't shoot the.
The police would shoot birds with him. I don't know. Maybe they would, but he didn't. He,
this was, you know, in the 19 hundreds, this was early 19 hundreds.
This was normal. This was normal, yeah. Maybe. And he, he actually trained the police in rapid fire shooting. Did he
smoke like a pipe? Probably. Uh, I'm thinking he's a pipe
Probably. I have pictures
I'll post. Okay. Let's find that out. That's important. I think for me. Yes.
I think it's important for everybody. For everyone. Okay. In 19, uh, so 1929 was a landmark year in the history of the. And the world. February witnessed the St. Valentine's Day massacre that ended the lives of seven of Al Capone's rival Gangsters May brought us the very first Oscar's award, 1929, also brought an end to the roaring twenties with the stock market crash in October, ushering in the Great Depression.
In November, the Museum of Modern Art Opens, and in June of that year, Vatican City gains its independence from. You
know, but you might, you might think these are important, but something that bird researchers noticed is we saw a strong decline in the bird population in Columbus, Ohio that year. Oh my goodness.
So, uh, carry on. Okay.
That was not researched. Um, it happened, but June, 1929 also saw a terrible murder right in the heart of it all Ohio. Just for people who don't know, that's Ohio's tagline. In the heart of it all, I thought we were first in flight. Well, we were that too. Okay. On June 14th, 1920 9, 2 16 year old young men were out to get some shooting practice, see more shooters and an outdoor shooting range when they stumbled upon a gr.
But they weren't shooting from their faculty desk for fun.
Okay. But they were out shooting. All right. But they made a gruesome discovery. Oh, Paul, I love this guy's name. Crummy, crummy, crummy, crum laugh, and Milton Miller, like seriously crummy
And Milton. Who names their kid? Milton, if their last name is Miller.
Right. We got there are those, the Millers ?
All those Millers
out there. Sorry, we're gonna get, don't name your kid in Milton. No, it's, anyway, they were about, listen, you could name, even name your kid Matt. Just don't name him Miller. Like, anyway, they
were about to get their rifles out of the car when they noticed a farmer about 200 yards away, not wanting to put the man in danger from a potential ricochet.
They decided, see, they were gonna pull out young men. They decided, they, uh, better warn the man that they were there and about to do some target practice.
That's how crummy rolled, right. He was like, I'm gonna shoot shit. And, but, but you know, if, if you could, if you could just get outta my way right. Jimmy who just shot birds randomly.
There's like students walking to class and the dude like just whips out a gun and starts shooting. I, I'm sorry. That's in my mind. He was having fun,
snuck the snuck hook. So, but before they actually reached the farmer to warm, warn him that that would be crummy. And Milton, they, uh, they, they found her, they found a body.
They hopped into Miller's whip it for sedan to get the. , but that would take 90 minutes. What's a whipped for
sedan? I don't know. Like, this is crazy.
You're the car guy around here. You should
know that. This is like in the twenties. Look, look it up. It a Milton and, and, and crummy and jimmy and a, a shooting birds from the desk.
And, and now we got a, a whip it. Okay. This is. This, my head's gonna explode. It's fun. This is
nuts. Yeah. In the meantime, people crowded around to see the body. Franklin County Coroner, Dr. Joseph A. Murphy and police photographer, Homer c Richter were called Murphy.
See, that's a good Irish guy, Murphy. He's the Irish.
It's a cop. That guy, that's a cop, that guy, that guy's like he's, he wasn't, he was the coroner. He, yeah, but he's drinking. He's drinking, yeah. His Irish coffee in the morning and his. In between doing the corner work. Maybe Murphy's a good guy. I can tell. I can just tell just by his
name. But before the coroner could get there, a crowd of Joe Murphy over a crowd of more than 20 people had formed and officers on the scene had started their own investigation.
One Officer John Guy. Notice, uh, noticed a man's watch on the body's wrist that had stopped when he picked up her arm. The watch started again once
that, that's great. Detective work like, oh, totally. You know, I can see the scene. Sorry. No, they, they screwed this up completely. It's like, did the whole scene, like the Yes.
They messed it up completely. Crumms, like, you know, like throwing cigarettes on the thi on the, you know, the body and the other kids. Like he, he'd probably peed himself. I think Milton peed himself, kind of like that kid in the Simpsons, like straight up. They really screwed this up. Yeah. And then the cops were like, oh, look at this.
There's a watch on this, this, this, this arm. And then they just like falls. They peak it. Yeah. Oh, they, he like flicked it and it started working. Good work. CP D. Well done. Yeah. , by the way, I'm a big, uh, fan of the cpd. I just, um, maybe in the twenties they just needed a little polishing. They needed some help.
Yeah. Well, not shooting birds apparently. Anyway, sorry. Carry on. So it's,
it's. So, um, once Dr. Murphy arrived, he turned the body over and witnessed the brutality of the wounds. M Murphy
put it in all that shit. He's like, nah, I'm doing my job now. Cause I'm a good cop. I mean, he is a corner. I'm a good coroner.
So, , her nose had been squashed into her face. It's normal. The doctor grabbed her nose with his thumb and thumb and forefinger and jiggle it until it came back to its correct spot. See, Murphy's respectful. I don't think Murphy's all that respectful.
Okay, so I'm, I'm, I'm moving. I'm, I'm changing my mind.
Murphy's not that great anymore, but he's okay.
So the body was sent off to Glen El Myers's mortuary for examination. , they had to figure out who she was and who killed her. Well, he jiggled her nose back. So it helped, you know, that's important. That'll help identify her. During their examination of the body, police and medical examiners turned up very little evidence.
She had a set of 12 keys, including a safety deposit box key. They felt, uh, this was important cuz usually safe deposit box keys are, but the crime scene became a complete zoo.
Yeah. With Milton and, and, and crummy. And more than a
jiggle in the nose. Yeah. More than a thousand Looky. Came to What's a lookie lou?
Where did you, you get what? A, I was trying to keep it a lookie Lou times. Yeah, actually. That's very creative. Thank you. Thank you. Nice
work. Thank you. Came to the scene to get their, uh, gander at the spot where gander, where the woman was killed. Lookie Lou, they trampled the grass and any evidence for 150 feet around the scene, they knocked loose stones from Stonewall and stole evidence.
Wait, where, where
did this, where did this happen? Like what am I. In Columbus Island in the
middle of a farm. Oh yeah. Columbus was really small back then. That just happened
at like, uh, like a, a country club. I thought I
read Yes. Outside of a, like, outside of a country club, like
say at a country club, it's like, no, not there.
No, not that one. No. Which one? I don't know. Well, we, we need to find that out. Okay. It's gonna be on the website everybody.
Right. The day after the body was found, two sisters contacted the police. Alice and Beatrice Buston told authorities that there were, oh my God. With
the names Beatrice Buston. Holy shit.
No, hold on. Oh, carry on. I'm sorry. This is CR, if your last Really Beatrice bust. Yeah.
Mm-hmm. , they told authorities that their roommate, thera k Hicks, had not returned home from a date the night before. Thera and one of the sisters, Alice were both pre-med students sharing a one bedroom apartment. They described Thera and were told to go down to the Glen Myers undertaking to see if the woman found was their,
Oh, can you imagine? They were not prepared for what they saw? Well, the nose was fixed. Yeah, I don't think so. The face was smashed in almost beyond recognition Murphy. They identified theor stuff based upon the clothes they'd seen her lay out the night she went missing. The busts said that Theor worked as a typist.
For the head of the graduate school at OSU and after work, she had come home, bathed and sat out her clothes for her date. She was in a good mood. They remembered her joking about her pursing, I've gotta empty this thing before long. It's chock full of a lot of letters and papers of absolutely no account.
They also noticed that this purse was not with Tiara's body or her belongings collected from the scene. Alice recalled that Theora had received a call from a woman who said she'd had a lunch date with Theora on Friday at Pauline Hall, but Theora hadn't showed, you know, they just redid Pauline Hall. I don't even know what is.
Pauline Hall is Palmer Hall. It's on OSU campus. It was the one that had the creepy old inground swimming pool that they stored stuff in. It's gone. , they redid the whole hall. There's still,
it's 2022. There's still a building that has a dirt floor in the classroom, so you know, go box. That's wild, right? No, seriously, it's Plum Hall.
No joke. What? Mm-hmm. a dirt floor. I know. Yeah. Okay. Maybe we need some donors to help with that. Anyone got any concrete out there?
Ha uh, anyway, that, that, that person that she was gonna have lunch with turned out to be Peggy Edwards, secretary to Esther Alan Ga, Dean of the Women. at the university asked her, but she said that Hicks never talked to her about her social life or her friends.
And that hicks didn't really associate with anyone or even flirt.
She was, yeah, she was a cl Uh, yes. No flirting.
Straight up. Good girl. You're not gonna think that when we're done though. Oh, a taxi driver told police that he had picked up Hicks on Thursday. She was very nervous chain smoking three cigarettes, which she'd bummed from him and telling him.
Quote, go the back way, cut through the quarries because the party I'm looking for comes in the back way and his coop as they back way, way the back is, is great. As they drove to the hilltop on the west side of Columbus, which is still called the Hilltop, Earl Nichols, the taxi driver said that when they were close to the state hospital for the insane, she had him stop.
She got out and waited f and uh, he waited for her for about 10 minutes. Then he drove her back to the university area and dropped her off at Neil Avenue. At first it was thought that, uh, Nichols was the last one to see Theora alive. But after additional investigation, it became known that Theora was training as a relief telephone operator for the university hospital.
girl stop? She's got letters. She doesn't flirt and she's training. Wait, she's in med school. She's young and she's training to be a relief telephone operator at the hospital, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. So she, she was there Thursday evening around six 30 for about an hour. She told her Trina, Bertha, that she had to leave to keep a date, but would be back around nine 30 or 10 cuz that's how people do jobs.
Nowaday Then, back then Dylan remarked that Hicks was quiet and nervous. Another connection to the university was through the office of William McPherson, Dean of the Graduate School. She worked as a stenographer for his office, although McPherson claimed at first not to have known her after Hicks's body was found.
Oddly, McPherson refused to answer questions from the police until he stuck his head out of his second story window. Pajama cla. and claimed to the police waiting below not to know the woman. He would later change that statement. Wait,
she was hooking up with McPherson?
I don't know, but he was in his office.
professors, I'll tell you, in his pajamas, they're all given good grades. Yeah. And they complain. Talk about a curve.
Yeah. Others associated with the university that were interviewed said they'd seen theora on multiple occasions with an older man in a navy blue coop on Friday evening. Tiara's parents, doctor, and Mrs.
Melvin Hicks living in Bradenton, Florida were notified that their daughter had been murdered. Theora. Katherine Hicks was born August 10th, 1904 in Flushing New York. She was the only child of Dr. And Mrs. Melvin Hicks, who were married 20 years before Tiara's arrival. Dr. Hicks taught music. at the Hos Man School in New York.
The family lived frugally but comfortably. They were a typical Victorian age raised couple. They were able to pay for Theora college, but not medical school. Dr. Hicks also taught Latin and Greek, which influenced the name they gave their child. Theora means quote unquote, God-given Dr. Hicks liked to call Theora fee for short cuz it's cute.
Thor's childhood was typical. She was smart, pretty and popular for her senior year of high school. She attended the Northfield Seminary for Young Ladies in Massachusetts. The
seminary, it sounds like an institution, like a kind, it sounds like a prison. Actually. I went to the cemetery, wait, seminary. The Cemetery seminar.
The Seminary Cemetery. Seminary Seminary,
Seminary. Upon graduation theorist teacher said of her that she had an quote unquote amount of impeccable. Theora became the trusted chaperone in her house, in her dorm, at school. After graduation, Theora attended business school in New York City, becoming a stenographer and typist.
You know, she didn't get, because that's what women did back then. She, when they went to quote unquote business school, it was to be a stenographer or a typist. She didn't get the
half Nelson. She went all the way through. Unlike Jimmy. Yep. Who shot birds? Who shot birds? I don't know why I'm hating on Jimmy this other douche, this McPherson guy.
Well, he seems like a dirty ba.
We'll get there. Okay. She spent some time in Florida caring for her mother in the fall of 1923 before entering Ohio State. In the spring of 1924, she lived with her aunt Harriet Holmes. Was she related to
No. All right. Who lived two blocks from campus for a short time until she found student housing and
they're all from Ohio.
Really? That's interesting. Yeah. I think there's a
relation, I don't know, maybe the's father remembers warning her quote. Look out for the flattery of men. My daughter. Look out for the flattery of men. My daughter. That's right.
I bet that's how he said it too. I mean, I, I, I definitely said that to, you know, our daughter when she went to college.
Okay. I, I didn't say that. I'm going to say that in text right now. Okay. Maybe when we're done. Okay. Okay, good. She's gonna wonder what's going on with you. Delete, I can tell you it's gonna be, be, be sent and deleted. . It's not gonna be opened. I think delete, honestly, I think, I think she has. 3000 texts from me that have never even been open.
So's good. I bet she reads some's good. Mm. Sometimes it's interesting.
I don't know. Yeah. Anyway, like So he worried for his only child? Yeah. He was, he was a wor
Well, you know, right. So because he was a faculty member, bang another, like girls. So he's like, yeah, you know, I, I know how this works as a faculty member.
Well, you know, according to him, she, even though she had a reputation for being quiet, she also kind of seemed to know no. She worked hard to put herself through medical school, and at the time of her murder was just days away from taking her second year medical school examinations. That's
sad. Well, how many years did a medical school take in 1901 or whenever?
This was probably four, like 10, four. Oh, probably four. So she was only like a quarter of the way there. Half the
way there she could. Well, doctor and Mrs. Hicks. Okay. So proud of Thor's accomplishments. Almost overnight, the co-eds murder became national news. The Columbus Evening dispatch urged readers to contact police if they knew someone who was quote.
Heavily built wears horn-rimmed glasses is about 40 years old and drives a Model T forward as a man fitting. The description was now a suspect. By Saturday, the suspect published a photograph of two suspects, one of them being Marion t Myers, whom Thera had dated. and had, he had even proposed marriage to her.
But Theor wanted to finish her education first. But according to Thor's roommates, she hadn't seen him for months. Myers was a 36 year old head of the Ohio Corn Boar Research Bureau. Corn bore research. Yes. Say that 10 times fast. He that, what is that? It is a moth that infests and damages corn crops. You know, I had enough of these moths.
It's corn bore. It's emerald Ash Bo. Except, except it's the corn
bore. Yeah, it's a. Are Emerald dashboards, moths, they
turn into moths. I
think it's freaking moth. You know what, this guy was solid. She should have stuck with him. I Myers was all right. Right. Never happened to that guy. I know. You know what?
I'll tell you what happened. He did his job because I'm eating corn this time. I had
cornbread tonight. Well, what happened to him is, thanks to this guy, he, he got engaged to another woman from Worcester, Ohio. Yeah. Well, she probably like corn. Upon hearing of Thor's murder, Meyer actually did come to Columbus.
Uh, he was taken into CU custody. That's lovely. Uhhuh, . After Thor's autopsy, autopsy was taken, the
cops, they're like, Hey, what are you doing? Oh man, you know, I, I really am worried, you know, he's, my heart's broken. My ex-girlfriend or whatever. She murdered, like busted, like, you're coming with us. And he's like, I'm just trying to find the mos and the murderer.
What's up, Mavs and murders. Nice. Yeah, sounds. , that could be one of our, that's the title of this, uh, this podcast. Patreon And The Snow Cook? No.
Snow Cook, but it could be a Patreon. Okay. That could be our $5 level Patreon. Yeah. I like that. Mobs and Murder. I like it. Five bucks. Uh, yeah. That's good. Yeah. Okay.
So, uh, after Thor's autopsy was completed, the doctor performed the autopsy stated that quote, her throat was cut in such a manner that the jugular vein and another vein were. Indicating that someone had wielded the knife, who knew just what veins should be slit in order that the wound would be fatal.
She had also been brutally beaten with a hammer cuz overkill McPherson, by Saturday
morning. No, I think we know it snuck right? Yeah. Okay. It snuck. I knew that it snuck God
by Saturday morning. Following the murder police were also knocking on James Snooks door. Detective Larry f Von Scape asked. . Do you know Ms.
Hicks? To which Snook answered for quite some time. For quite some time. Vaughn
Vaughn Ska. Yeah. Von Ska wanted Snook. Snook. Snook. Snook. Snook. Snook took accompany him downtown for questioning, like in the movies. Like, you're coming with me downtown for
questioning? Yeah. This guy was serious. Yeah, he was.
He was almost as good as Murphy. He hearing his voice, right? He was like jiggling
nose. Okay. Snook was more concerned with his stomach. He wanted to know if he could finish his breakfast. Yeah, man. First, well, Vance cake. Vance cake was like, sure thing. If you want me to tell your wife why, I want you to come talk to me.
So Snook felt it best to leave with Vance cake because he's like, I'm gonna tell your wife if you don't come with me now. I love that. It's like two little kids. So Snook went with Vons cake, um, and got breakfast downtown instead. So he still got breakfast. Everyone gotta to eat. Everybody gotta to eat. It did not escape Vons cakes.
Notice that Snook had his right hand bandaged and in a sling. Ah, dude. So busted. When asked about it, Snook said, He'd heard it working on his car. Yeah, man. The Model T. Yep. Model T Snook was rather annoyed at the inconvenience, but the detective let him drive his own car to the station. How nice. With another detective alongside Snook had planned to go see his 73 year old mother as Sunday was Father's Day after arriving at police headquarters and unbeknownst to Snook.
Smoke's vehicle was impounded. That's what I'm talking you. They can't do that anymore. That's, you know what?
We're hurting the police from doing their jobs subpoena or something. I like that. They just did their job. No, they're like, yeah. Hey, hey, hey. Just come on down. We gotta talk to you. No, and they just took the car.
They just took it. Good job cop. Good job. C P D. Yeah, that's what I'm talking. You know what, Murphy probably orchestrated
that he was not, he was. .
Um, he's a coroner. Yes, but he was a good guy. Oh my gosh.
Okay. We're gonna have to call it for today, and we will have part two next week. And again, most of these will just be one episode.
This one was just, Too great to have it. Try cram it all into one episode. So it's two. So we'll see you next time on Cowards Fury. Bye.